Just purchased a used 2018 Clarity Touring with right on 36,000 miles. After 3 weeks and several hundred miles I am loving the car and learning a lot from this forum. I have about 1000 questions but will keep reading before I start asking them.
Is that a PHEV?Just purchased a used 2018 Clarity Touring with right on 36,000 miles. After 3 weeks and several hundred miles I am loving the car and learning a lot from this forum. I have about 1000 questions but will keep reading before I start asking them.
YesIs that a PHEV?
Here’s one. Is there a way to start the ICE while the car sits in the driveway in Park? I want to hook up an OBD2 and check things without having to drive around.Congrats and welcome to the club. Ask away.
Here’s another. Can you buy an extended HondaCare warranty after the factory warranty expires?Congrats and welcome to the club. Ask away.
The PHEV version is the only Clarity that has ever been for sale. The fuel cell and EV versions were lease only, when the lease ends they revert back to Honda and are not sold so presumably they are all scrapped. If they sold even one car they would have to maintain parts and service as long as the factory warranty is in effect.Is that a PHEV?
Interesting. I wasn't aware (obviously). I guess the $58k MSRP was used as the basis for the lease costs? I always assumed that it was the sale price. You know what they say about "assume"...The PHEV version is the only Clarity that has ever been for sale. The fuel cell and EV versions were lease only, when the lease ends they revert back to Honda and are not sold so presumably they are all scrapped. If they sold even one car they would have to maintain parts and service as long as the factory warranty is in effect.
Here’s one. Is there a way to start the ICE while the car sits in the driveway in Park? I want to hook up an OBD2 and check things without having to drive around.
The Clarity EV (officially known as Clarity Electric) was only available for lease in California and Oregon. The Clarity FCV (officially known as Clarity Fuel Cell) was only available for lease in California because that is the only state that has publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations.Interesting. I wasn't aware (obviously). I guess the $58k MSRP was used as the basis for the lease costs? I always assumed that it was the sale price. You know what they say about "assume"...
Ah yes. Just like the ol' EV-1s in '97-'02. They were lease-only as well, in very limited markets.The Clarity EV (officially known as Clarity Electric) was only available for lease in California and Oregon. The Clarity FCV (officially known as Clarity Fuel Cell) was only available for lease in California because that is the only state that has publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations.
Clarity Electric was discontinued last year, so the last of the three-year leases will start ending in a couple of years. Although owners apparently are given an option to extend an additional year at the same $199 per month, so in theory at least some Clarity Electrics might be on the road for another three years.
The Clarity Fuel Cell will soon end production if it hasn't already (along with the PHEV) however I notice that Honda still has the FCV listed on their website at $379 per month so presumably they will continue leasing them until they run out.
Wow! $2k net for a used Mirai is unbelievable. If I didn't already have a '21 Bolt, I'd buy one.I looked at the FCX and then the Murai when I was still working in So. Calif. We had an H2 fueling station 1.5 miles from home and another 3 miles from my work. I ended up with a Prius Prime (range anxiety). I do see that the lease returns on the Murai are now being sold by Toyota for about $17,000 (depending on mileage) and that includes a $15,000 fuel card.
The $15,000 hydrogen credit will get used up in about 50,000 miles depending on driving conditions, and I think the credit expires in three years regardless of mileage. After that it's on them to purchase hydrogen at around $30 for every 100 miles. These costs can vary quite a bit based on the type of driving. There is hope that the price of hydrogen will come down somewhat in the next few years but that is not a given. But also their situation of being close to a hydrogen fueling station is unusual because there aren't that many even in Southern California. Depending on where they live and work someone could easily have to drive ten or fifteen miles in L.A. traffic every time they need to fill up. I guess what I would do is make a late-night In-N-Out Burger run whenever it's time to fill up the car.Wow! $2k net for a used Mirai is unbelievable. If I didn't already have a '21 Bolt, I'd buy one.
Do you live in Ontario? Because the H2 fueling station is less than a mile south the the In N Out Burger at Vineyard and I-10.The $15,000 hydrogen credit will get used up in about 50,000 miles depending on driving conditions, and I think the credit expires in three years regardless of mileage. After that it's on them to purchase hydrogen at around $30 for every 100 miles. These costs can vary quite a bit based on the type of driving. There is hope that the price of hydrogen will come down somewhat in the next few years but that is not a given. But also their situation of being close to a hydrogen fueling station is unusual because there aren't that many even in Southern California. Depending on where they live and work someone could easily have to drive ten or fifteen miles in L.A. traffic every time they need to fill up. I guess what I would do is make a late-night In-N-Out Burger run whenever it's time to fill up the car.
The Prius Prime that they bought will have very low fuel and electricity costs, so the $15,000 hydrogen credit cannot really be thought of as money in the pocket.
No I don't live in California anymore. But when I fly into LAX I like to go to the In-N-Out Burger on Sepulveda Blvd which has a great view of planes landing. You won't believe this but many years ago I was on an America West flight from Ontario to LAX in a 737. Obviously not a scheduled flight, what happened is we were late leaving Phoenix and lost our landing slot at LAX. After circling over the desert for half an hour the pilot decided to land at Ontario where America West had some gates and we waited there until there was an opening. We took off from Ontario to the west and climbed a few thousand feet up to the LAX glide slope then started descending, no turns needed. The flight lasted twelve minutes.Do you live in Ontario? Because the H2 fueling station is less than a mile south the the In N Out Burger at Vineyard and I-10.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the room when the decision-makers made that call. So many tangible cost variables to consider (additional fuel, tire wear, FAA sanctions, etc), weighed against such intangibles as passenger comfort. Then again, a manager may have just said "Send the [email protected] thing to Ontario", without giving it a second thought.No I don't live in California anymore. But when I fly into LAX I like to go to the In-N-Out Burger on Sepulveda Blvd which has a great view of planes landing. You won't believe this but many years ago I was on an America West flight from Ontario to LAX in a 737. Obviously not a scheduled flight, what happened is we were late leaving Phoenix and lost our landing slot at LAX. After circling over the desert for half an hour the pilot decided to land at Ontario where America West had some gates and we waited there until there was an opening. We took off from Ontario to the west and climbed a few thousand feet up to the LAX glide slope then started descending, no turns needed. The flight lasted twelve minutes.
Although obviously off-topic, here's a little more detail about it since you brought it up. After about thirty minutes of circling we straightened out and headed west again, so I assumed that we were now on the way. But then the pilot came on and said that air traffic control is telling us that we have at least an hour more to wait, the pilot said we don't have enough fuel to circle for an hour so we are going to land in Ontario and wait there. They always have to maintain fuel reserves and I'm sure there was enough fuel to circle for another hour, so I assume what he meant was there isn't enough fuel to circle for an hour and then fly to LAX and still have required fuel reserve.I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the room when the decision-makers made that call. So many tangible cost variables to consider (additional fuel, tire wear, FAA sanctions, etc), weighed against such intangibles as passenger comfort. Then again, a manager may have just said "Send the [email protected] thing to Ontario", without giving it a second thought.