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Whenever the battery level reaches zero and I accelerate the engine howls very loudly like it's really struggling to accelerate Sounds like the engine is redlining. I've mentioned this to the dealer on multiple occasions however they find nothing amiss and say it's normal.
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Whenever the battery level reaches zero and I accelerate the engine howls very loudly like it's really struggling to accelerate Sounds like the engine is redlining. I've mentioned this to the dealer on multiple occasions however they find nothing amiss and say it's normal.
Does it do it every time in this situation, or just some of the time? Some additional engine noise is normal when driving with 0 EV miles, however if you say it sounds like it's redlining that's not typical, except for lengthier power demands like climbing a long grade with 0 EV miles, but not just accelerating from a stoplight.

There is a theory that it is something that gets stuck in the software and can be fixed by doing what is known as a 12V reset. Not sure it will help in your situation but it's an easy and safe thing to try. All you do is disconnect the negative battery terminal for a minute or so then reconnect it. This clears out some data including driving history but most of your settings should be unchanged. You will know that the 12V reset was successful if the first time you turn on the car you get several dire sounding warning messages about systems not working like ABS, TPMS, etc. That is normal and those messages clear themselves within the first mile of driving. Also your EV range might appear to change after the 12V reset but that's just because the EV range estimate is based on recent drives, and since the history has been cleared it takes a few drives for it to build up some driving history again.

If you try this be sure to come back and let us know if it made any difference for you.
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The engine is 1.5 L and it's moving a 2 ton car without electric aid when the battery depletes. Honda says it's a 103 hp engine with 99 lb-ft of torque here:


A lot of work for a tiny engine. You may consider changing the engine air filter if you live in a dusty environment so the engine can breathe better. The maintenance schedule on the air filter makes exception for dusty environments, otherwise change when 8 shows up.
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The engine is 1.5 L and it's moving a 2 ton car without electric aid when the battery depletes. Honda says it's a 103 hp engine with 99 lb-ft of torque here:

A lot of work for a tiny engine. You may consider changing the engine air filter if you live in a dusty environment so the engine can breathe better. The maintenance schedule on the air filter makes exception for dusty environments, otherwise change when 8 shows up.
But he said "the engine howls very loudly like it's really struggling to accelerate Sounds like the engine is redlining." That's not normal, if it was no one would own a Clarity. People who have experienced this say it's the equivalent of flooring the gas pedal with the car in neutral, they say it's extremely loud, alarmingly so. Some people have even pulled over because they thought something was seriously wrong. My car never does that when I drive in HV with 0 EV miles. During normal driving and acceleration with 0 EV miles the gas engine is barely louder than a typical gas car.

Even with 0 EV miles there is about 10% SOC still available, allowing the Clarity to operate like a regular hybrid, you can think of that 10% SOC as representing the smaller battery in a hybrid car. When you accelerate from a stop it uses that battery power to get going, supplemented by the gas engine. When the car reaches cruising speed the battery lets off and the gas engine provides most of the power and starts recharging the battery. All of this occurs without a lot of fanfare or noise.

The only time things normally get noisy is when you have used up that last 10%. As I said in my previous post this typically happens when driving in hills or mountains, if you have 0 EV miles and climb a grade you will soon use up the 10%, and now the gas engine is on its own trying to move the two-ton car up the hill while it recharges the battery. I haven't experienced this but people who have say the engine can really howl.

But the OP is experiencing this in regular driving, which is not normal. The theory I have heard, which sounds plausible, is that there is a software glitch that causes the car to think it has fully depleted the battery when it actually hasn't, and so it uses only the gas engine for all acceleration, as it also tries frantically to recharge what it thinks is a fully depleted battery, thus creating a very unnerving and noisy driving condition. Many people say they can solve it by pulling over and turning the car off and back on again, then it drives normal. There is no known software fix for this, people who take their car to the dealer are typically told that's the way the car works. But it does seem to solve itself eventually for most people, one theory is when their 12V battery is disconnected for some other reason, like getting a new battery, or if they accidentally run down the 12V battery, the ensuing software reset serendipitously cures the redlining problem. Just a theory, but certainly worth giving 12V reset a try since it's so easy to do.
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It's really hard to say what exactly is going on from what was typed, at least for me. If the dealer didn't find anything amiss I can only guess, especially not experiencing what is happening in person.

I can say with regards to ICE maintenance there are two things that are somewhat arbitrary/vague to me:

1. Adjust valves if they are noisy. What does a noisy valve sound like?

2. Engine air filter replacement can be either (since the 8 just recently came on for us) I'm guessing at 60k mi. OR and I'll quote (as I was able to copy from the .pdf) "If you drive in dusty conditions, replace the air cleaner element every 15,000 miles (24,000 km)." That's a HUGE difference based on the assumption the owner/driver understands what "dusty" means. 15k mi is really short in my opinion, especially for a PHEV. Not knowing how many miles the car has and knowing the interval can be so short, maybe changing it will help. The OP is driving it enough to engage the engine enough times to notice (how the engine runs) as a concern....
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sounds normal to me. the ICE is generating electricity that is being used by the electric motors to accelerate the car.
sounds normal to me. the ICE is generating electricity that is being used by the electric motors to accelerate the car.
...and it appears that the Clarity PHEV is unable to keep up under high demand, on engine alone. It's why I rarely let mine get much below about 25% SOC, indicated.

My Volt did the same thing, under 0% SOC and high demand. It would drop back to a max speed of 55 mi/hr, in "Reduced Performance Mode". Quite disconcerting, if one was doing 75 mi/hr in the #1 lane, up a pass. I did this once, in my Volt.

Regardless, this doesn't seem to be what the OP is writing about. I suspect 2002 is correct, in their analysis.
It's really hard to say what exactly is going on from what was typed, at least for me.
That's the problem with these situations, it's very subjective and we have to either make assumptions which could turn out to be wrong, or else ask a bunch of questions which if worded incorrectly can sometimes come across as challenging or dismissing what the person is reporting.

The tricky part is that there is quite a bit of evidence in the four years that the Clarity PHEV has existed that there are a few owners out there who have at times experienced a clear issue with their car, behavior and noise and RPM's that are way beyond what would be considered normal. One of the symptoms is that it happens only occasionally, some have experienced it only a few times, weeks or months apart. And for some people it doesn't always happen with 0 EV miles, which supports the theory that it is a software issue where the system thinks the battery is fully depleted when it really has 10% or more SOC.

This owner's experience is somewhat unusual in that it sounds like it is repeatable and frequent, and also apparently only occurs when there are 0 EV miles. That would normally make me want to put it into the category of a new owner who is not used to the somewhat unpredictable engine noises that pretty much any hybrid makes at times. But in this case words like howling, struggling, and redlining make me at least consider the possibility that this is not normal behavior but one of the rare software conditions that some people have experienced.

sounds normal to me. the ICE is generating electricity that is being used by the electric motors to accelerate the car.
Unfortunately none of us know what it sounds like. You could be right that it's normal, but it requires hearing it in person to know for sure. We can't necessarily assume that he is hearing the same thing that we hear when we drive our cars.

In the past myself and others have encouraged people with this problem to get an OBD-II connected so they can tell us what RPM's they are seeing, which would give us something to compare with our cars. Or using a db sound level app on their phone, although imprecise it could provide some quantification to what they are hearing. Or an actual audio recording, even though it may not full convey what they are hearing it would at least be something. Unfortunately most people who come onto sites like this asking for advice are not usually interested in doing a bunch of diagnostic steps, which I can understand, but that further takes away any ability to understand or quantify what they are experiencing to determine whether or not it seems like normal behavior.

Adjust valves if they are noisy.
Is that even possible on modern cars? I used to adjust the valves on an old VW bus, and one time on my old Datsun using a special tool that I had to buy. Every car after that it was not a DIY procedure, nor did it seem to be necessary and was not part of normal maintenance schedules. Also noisy valves tend to make a chattering sound, and while it can cause a loss of performance, I would think the odds of a Clarity engine having valves so far out of adjustment as to cause noticeable performance issues and high RPM's seems unlikely, especially since most Clarity owner's engines don't have a lot of "miles" on them, i.e. HV miles. But that's just my guesstimate.
Engine air filter replacement
Easy to check, and not a bad idea on its own. I would be surprised though that's what is causing the high RPM's and engine noise, but you never know.
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Whenever the battery level reaches zero and I accelerate the engine howls very loudly like it's really struggling to accelerate Sounds like the engine is redlining. I've mentioned this to the dealer on multiple occasions however they find nothing amiss and say it's normal.
About 6 months ago my 2018 Clarity was doing the same thing to the point where I was very concerned. I disconnected the battery (Negative cable) for about 5 minutes, reconnected it and freaked out (a little) when I saw all of the warning messages. I drove about a mile, all of the warnings went away as did the engine "howling" (apt description by the way) problem. In 6 months the problem has not returned.
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Just my 2 cents on the original post - the "angry bees" under the hood is a normal thing when a 1.5L engine is trying to accelerate a 4985 lb. car. I get that from time to time when accelerating (we have some hills here), but it goes away if I let the car run it its sweet spot during those stretches. If I know what is coming I try to keep some battery level in HV mode to run in EV mode.
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Whenever the battery level reaches zero and I accelerate the engine howls very loudly like it's really struggling to accelerate Sounds like the engine is redlining. I've mentioned this to the dealer on multiple occasions however they find nothing amiss and say it's normal.
My car is the same. If I didn’t have a place to charge my clarity I would sell it. It is simply not a good hybrid car in town. The engine is far too noisy inside the car. It’s bothersome. On the highway it’s fine as a hybrid. My Prius was a much better hybrid in town. Quieter engine and frankly better MPG. The Clarity is a great electric car however.
My car is the same. If I didn’t have a place to charge my clarity I would sell it. It is simply not a good hybrid car in town. The engine is far too noisy inside the car. It’s bothersome. On the highway it’s fine as a hybrid. My Prius was a much better hybrid in town. Quieter engine and frankly better MPG. The Clarity is a great electric car however.
exactly right, our Clarity is an amazing EV with 40 to 65 mile range at a scary low net cost.

It is also a really good hybrid on trips where you only use hybrid mode when going over 45mph.

But driven at lower speeds on hybrid, lack of a gear ratio changing transmission means no mechanical drive from the ICE at low speeds and using the ICE to just make electricity to run the e-motor is a lame hybrid system.

But with 181 electric HP, it's a great EV, I find it smooth and confident on our Oregon Coast 2 lane forest roads even in hard rain. It is nice having the ICE kick in more HP for passing but I have never needed the ICE going up passes, EV is does just fine when the traction battery has plenty of juice.

cheers, roger in Florence
exactly right, our Clarity is an amazing EV with 40 to 65 mile range at a scary low net cost.

It is also a really good hybrid on trips where you only use hybrid mode when going over 45mph.

But driven at lower speeds on hybrid, lack of a gear ratio changing transmission means no mechanical drive from the ICE at low speeds and using the ICE to just make electricity to run the e-motor is a lame hybrid system.

But with 181 electric HP, it's a great EV, I find it smooth and confident on our Oregon Coast 2 lane forest roads even in hard rain. It is nice having the ICE kick in more HP for passing but I have never needed the ICE going up passes, EV is does just fine when the traction battery has plenty of juice.

cheers, roger in Florence
"...I have never needed the ICE going up passes, EV is does just fine when the traction battery has plenty of juice."

The key is remembering to have sufficient SOC, when climbing. If you forget...expect the roaring engine, and say hello to the trucks going 45 in the right lane.

Been there, done that...in both the Clarity PHEV, and a 2011 Volt.

I tend to anticipate the situation, now.
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