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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-19-2019, 12:45 PM Thread Starter
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No Apps for Clarity?

Has anyone installed any apps on the tablet? How can you do that? I want to install the Chargepoint app for example.
I heard of an option where you end up rooting the tablet, but I don't want to take chances.
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From what I've gathered (searching multiple HondaLink forums) the system did - at one time - have the ability to install certain third-party apps but they had to be in APK format on a thumb drive. In more recent versions of the software the browser and "add applications" functions have been either removed or made vestigial. The general consensus is that, if you want to use apps in your Clarity, use Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
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From what I've gathered (searching multiple HondaLink forums) the system did - at one time - have the ability to install certain third-party apps but they had to be in APK format on a thumb drive. In more recent versions of the software the browser and "add applications" functions have been either removed or made vestigial. The general consensus is that, if you want to use apps in your Clarity, use Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
APK is the Android "Application Package" format. It's a zip file with a special loader to perform the installation. The Clarity's console runs Android 4.x.

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I have the Chargepoint APK on the USB drive, the Clarity sees it when I choose to download app, but the "Install" button is disabled. They killed the feature. Sad, could have been a nice touch, to unlock the charger from the screen.
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I installed the Honda Hack from autohack.org
So far, so good.
I have a hotspot that stays in my car, so as long as it is charged, I have connectivity. The hotspot is connected to a 10000 mAmps battery, so it lasts about 3 days.
I installed the Chargepoint app, and I am able to access it finally.
I noticed some slowdown and the unit takes a little longer to boot, but it is negligible.
Haven't used it for google maps or Waze yet. You can install it on the headunit directly.
Essentially, it becomes an android tablet with full installation privileges. You install the apps straight from the app store. I recommend creating a gmail account just for this, don't share your main account
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Hi again, I'm a prospective Clarity Touring buyer...

My wife really wants to be able to depend on the car itself for navigation and not require external device to use the map.
The autohack.org features look promising.
Has anyone (First Honda or other members?) confirmed on the autohack.org home page which if any of the Pro (green) items listed for Civic and CR-V are also applicable to the Clarity?

From what I read, it seems like the available (preferred?) map software made available in Honda Hack is Waze. Is Google Maps enabled in Honda Hack too?
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Hi again, I'm a prospective Clarity Touring buyer...

My wife really wants to be able to depend on the car itself for navigation and not require external device to use the map.
The autohack.org features look promising.
Has anyone (First Honda or other members?) confirmed on the autohack.org home page which if any of the Pro (green) items listed for Civic and CR-V are also applicable to the Clarity?

From what I read, it seems like the available (preferred?) map software made available in Honda Hack is Waze. Is Google Maps enabled in Honda Hack too?
Touring includes built-in Navigation. It uses Garmin map data and includes free map updates for the first five years. She can also use Google Maps by plugging her phone into the USB port in the center console and running Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. That's what I use, I never use the built in navigation. Some people don't like that you have to plug the phone in, but I normally charge my phone while driving anyway so for me it's not a problem. You can keep the USB cable plugged into the outlet and the cord tucked away under the center console, then it just takes a second to plug the phone in when you get in the car.

Using HondaHack to run Google Maps requires an Internet connection which will have to come from an external device while driving. If her phone has a hotspot function that would work. The main problem with HondaHack is that the Clarity infotainment system is very underpowered. I don't know if it's the processor or not enough RAM but even just the normal screens are a bit sluggish, and when you install HondaHack and then try and run apps it just doesn't work well, at least in my experience and most other people that I have heard of who have tried it. Some people have said apps and browsing work okay but I notice that they report this immediately after installing HondaHack when they haven't really used it extensively. I have yet to hear of someone actually using apps or web browser in the infotainment system on a regular basis. Android Auto and Apple CarPlay meanwhile work fine, that's because the phone is doing all of the processing, the infotainment system is just providing the display.
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Thanks 2002. Have you or others had experience using a dedicated device for the Android Auto? I'd rather not inadvertently leave my (main) phone in my car and instead dedicate an extra phone I have on hand to the purpose. If the USB port could remain powered when the car is off then the phone would have power to remain booted, preventing the phone battery from draining to dead. Otherwise I'd expect to have to wait for the phone to boot up when the USB port gives it sufficient power. Most phones I've used won't automatically boot up into the OS when they receive power.
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I take my phone with me. It's also my music player (128GB MicroSD card) and I download all my maps for Google Maps to the phone, allowing me to have a 2GB data plan. I've had Google Maps in navigation mode for extended periods and if it's not moving it draws very little power so you could safely leave your phone in the car overnight from this perspective.
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I've had Google Maps in navigation mode for extended periods and if it's not moving it draws very little power so you could safely leave your phone in the car overnight from this perspective.
Google Maps doesn't need to be running on the phone. Even with no apps running you can use Google Maps on the infotainment screen. That's because you aren't actually running Google Maps, you are running the Android Auto version of Google Maps which is sort of like Google Maps Lite. Although it does use the same database and destination history as the regular Google Maps.

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Thanks 2002. Have you or others had experience using a dedicated device for the Android Auto? I'd rather not inadvertently leave my (main) phone in my car and instead dedicate an extra phone I have on hand to the purpose. If the USB port could remain powered when the car is off then the phone would have power to remain booted, preventing the phone battery from draining to dead. Otherwise I'd expect to have to wait for the phone to boot up when the USB port gives it sufficient power. Most phones I've used won't automatically boot up into the OS when they receive power.
I'm starting to gather that your goal is to have a setup where your wife can run Google Maps on the infotainment screen as if it was built in. I think that's probably possible with your idea of using a second phone and keeping it always plugged in and turned on. The USB port is not powered when the car is not on but most phones go into sleep mode when inactive so you can test your phone to see how long it will hold a charge when inactive. What I can't predict is whether your phone will automatically come out of sleep mode when the car starts and Android Auto on the car attempts to access it. Worst case if it doesn't then she just needs to turn the phone on, nothing else, as I mentioned in my other reply you don't have to launch Google Maps on phone to get it to appear on the infotainment screen.

Also as long as Google Maps was the last thing on the infotainment screen when the car is shut off, then the next time you turn on the car it will automatically launch Google Maps on the infotainment screen. And that's true even if the phone is not plugged in when you start the car, as soon as you turn on the car it will attempt to load Google Maps but then just go to a black screen, but as soon as you plug the phone in then Google Maps will launch.

One thing to note however is that searching for destinations in Google Maps on the infotainment screen is not nearly as good as it is in regular Google Maps on your phone. So what I usually do is prior to plugging the phone in I go into Google Maps on my phone and search my destination, then press Start to get the route going, then when I plug in my phone Google Maps will automatically launch on the infotainment screen and the route will already be running. Maybe she will be okay with the search on the infotainment screen but I find it pretty frustrating compared to the phone version. Although I sometimes use the voice search when driving even though that is somewhat hit or miss.
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