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I'm very interested in buying, but have to wait a few months to do it. I do have a few questions. I live in Colorado. We have mountains and the temps go from -20 in the winter to 100 in summer. So to begin, how is the power in mountains? Does the car keep warm inside during the Winter and cool during the summer? If you are heating or cooling the car does that greatly change the MPG? Thank you for your input!
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Welcome to the community.

Lucky for you what I've been hearing its that these are quick off the line and do it smooth, much like what you'd expect from a luxury car maker.
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I live in Missouri which also has cold winters and hot summers. So far, I definitely get more range in summer (up to 67 electric miles on a charge). In winter I got more like 40 miles. The car is plenty quick when it is has charge, but pretty weak with gas only. They recommend using gas on freeway and electric in city which works well. Overall, I really love this car and highly recommend it.

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I'm very interested in buying, but have to wait a few months to do it. I do have a few questions. I live in Colorado. We have mountains and the temps go from -20 in the winter to 100 in summer. So to begin, how is the power in mountains? Does the car keep warm inside during the Winter and cool during the summer? If you are heating or cooling the car does that greatly change the MPG? Thank you for your input!
So many questions. But, good questions.


>I'm very interested in buying, but have to wait a few months to do it.
Buy a Prius Plug-in. They are practically giving them away.
Many reasons for that.

I removed most of my Prius Prime bashing comments.
Imho, I see Toyota following the old GM way of doing business. You know, the GM that went bankrupt and no longer exists. Fwiw, this is the "new GM".



>I live in Colorado. We have mountains and the temps go
>from -20 in the winter to 100 in summer.
So do we in New England.
Yea, Colorado and New England are surprisingly similar.
But, we also have the ocean. Na, na, na, na.



>So to begin, how is the power in mountains?
The gas engine alone has 181 HP. That's not bad at all!
The combined gas/electric HP is ~212HP. That's very good.
Imho, for power, it's one of the bet non-performance plug-ins/hybrid cars there is.
Note, "quarter mile" times depend on many factors.

Again, I said power, not stop-light racing Escorts or Civics. The Clarity is heavy and the motors/drivetrain are not designed for the fastest possible zero-to-60-100mph times. The motor and drive-train are design for longevity and everyday use.

Imho, if people want very fast 0-60 times, then buy a Camero or Mustang.


Imho, the power of the gas engine by itself is important for those of use that don't live in some boring very flat non-interesting area - snore..........
So, all of those Southern Calf, Florida, Texas, etc reviewers can go roll their eyes all they want when they talk about "range anxiety". Hey, go play with your 12months out of the year mosquito friends and have fun in your boring flat landscape that looks all the same.

Btw, some fool reviewer drove a Tesla (electric only) up the Mt Washington road.
Ha, ha, ha.
Clearly, that reviewer doesn't have any real experience bicycling or running up real inclines.

Disclosure: I've hiked MT Washington (NH), and the Rockies (CO) a number of times.
And, I loved every time!
I also officially ran "Boston".
So, I'm a little biased.


>Does the car keep warm inside during the Winter and cool during the summer?
Toyota removed the auxiliary high efficiency heater when this generation of the Prius came out.
Did they put it back it this year? Who knows? And, *I* no longer care.

From the literature, the Clarity has an auxiliary high efficiency heater.
So, with a Clarity, you can pre-warm the car!
And, you can get heat, even if the engine isn't running or isn't hot.
WOW!!!
What a concept!

So, if someone does not live in Calf, Fla, or Texas, and you want a comfortable car to get into?
With a Prius - ha, ha, ha - forgaboutit. Okay, again, they may have fixed that.



>cooling the car does that greatly change the MPG?
Okay. This gets a little more involved.
1) In the City.
Yes, AC does effect gas/battery mileage. However, the AC systems are very efficient now. Still, their will be some lost. That's true for all cars.
AC takes energy/power. That power either comes from gas, electric, or magic.
I don't know of any cars that use magic. So, that's out.


2) On the highway.
In general, using AC and the windows closed, uses less energy (gas/electric) than having the windows down.
Air drag above 40MPH requires a lot of energy/power to overcome the air resistance.
I found a chart. It's close to the estimates using a bunch of known equations.




Btw, except for the old tech, the Ford Fusion plug-in is a nice car.
Other than the Mustang and some weird version of the Focus, Ford is not going to be selling cars in America anymore.
So, imho, forget about getting a Ford Energi (Fusion plug-in).



I hope the above helps.

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I can't edit my post above?
That's screwed up!
So now, people will read known wrong information.


EDIT OF THE ABOVE:
I double checked the Honda web page.
The gas engine is 1.5L, and has 103HP and 99lb-ft of torque.

The electric engine has:
181HP and 232 lb-ft of torque.

Combined HP is 212HP

The curb weigh is ~4050lbs.



So...., sorry, imho, for a long drive up a mountain, 103HP in a 4,000lb car is not going to cut it.

The front disk is also 12.3".
The rear disk is 12.2". That's big for a rear disk.
In hard braking, the front disk does ~70%+ of the work.
Fwiw, the reason for the big rear disk is for normal braking, to help regain energy, and not cause the typical nose-dive when braking.

Imho, a 12.3" disk on a 4,000lb car is marginal at best, coming down a long very steep road - such as the Mt Washington Auto Road, or some other long very steep downhills from mountains.
I've never driven the Mt Washington Auto Road - I've hiked up that mountain, not driven.
But, there are a number of long very steep access roads to other smaller mountains and trails in New England (that are not visited as much by people).

Again, sorry for the mistake above.

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You said ----
The curb weigh is ~4050lbs.

So...., sorry, imho, for a long drive up a mountain, 103HP in a 4,000lb car is not going to cut it.


I live on the West Slope of Colorado and go to Denver about once a month. My Accord 2015 4cly makes the trip without any problem. The drive is 250 miles going up hill and then over the passes which are steep. By the time I get to the passes the car will have to be powered by the 4cly only. So maybe this is not the car for me?
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To the person who prefers the Toyota Prius Prime. I considered that car, but after test driving that and the Clarity, the Clarity won hands-down.
1. Much better electric range.
2. Much nicer, bigger interior cabin.
3. Much bigger trunk.
The Clarity PHEV is an awesome car.
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